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    April 22, 2008

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    Tim

    I never BYOB just because it's too much hassle figuring out if it's OK, will there be a corking fee, etc.

    But it's probably worse in the Boston area. I still can remember being amazed by the weird liquor laws in Boston the first time I visited there years ago. I went to a bar my first night there and ordered a beer and a shot, the waitress told me that I could only order one at a time. Seemed silly since the shot would be gone a second after she brought it to me.

    Marco

    Tim, I think I had missed your comment... So here is a late Thank You for stopping by.

    I'm not surprised. A few years ago I was at a bar/restaurant in some town here in Mass where they would not serve me a drink if I was standing up... but there were no sits left at the bar, so my friends and I had to wait until someone left... go figure.

    EDP

    I enjoy wine with dinners, and thus prefer to eat in a restaurant that offers wine. BYOB is okay, too. However, I can think of a good reason for restaurants to be wary of BYOB -- they may be concerned about customers drinking too much, having an accident driving home, and then suing the restaurant. What do you think?

    Marco

    Hi Eleanor, thank you for stopping by and for your comment. You refer to a key point in regards to BYOB which shows how messed up Massachusetts is by allowing BYOB ONLY in restaurants that do NOT have a liquor license. These restaurants are the ones who most likely do not have insurance policies guarding them against the situation you describe. In my opinion, BYOB is a great way for people to drink better wine at restaurants who overcharge for wine without providing any value-added service (proper glasses, appropriate serving temperature, etc.)

    Thanks again. Please stay in touch... I would love to taste that Merlot of yours when it's ready.

    Avish

    Thanks for the blog and post Marco. Ok, I think there lies an appreciable legal logic and rationale behind the law that unlicensed restaurants are only allowed BYOB, why?, because this eliminates the possibility described by Eleanor, the drunkard can not claim that it was the restaurant who served the wine. I hope my point is clear. Although, i also agree with the point Marco made that such restaurants do not have any insurance. Keep enjoying and happy drinking, cheers:-)

    Marco Montez

    Avish, thank you so much for reading and even better, leaving a comment. I'll have to revisit this topic at some point. This is the post that has attracted the most visitors to my blog via google searches. This tells me that this topic is of interest to many people. I really appreciate your comment and hope you continue to participate here.

    Mark

    I own a small cafe with a beer and wine license. The Massachusetts laws and enforcement seem to be getting harder and more expensive. I personally am thinking of becoming a BYO and charging a small "set up" fee or corkage fee. The customer gets the responsibility for the consumption and also gets the value of the dining experience. Every BYO establishment intents to get a happy customer who hopefully will return. The Law in Massachusetts at this date states that the towns dictate the laws over BYO's. Our town already allows it and has two other restaurants who have a popular following. But it is hard to find any town clearly writing what is an acceptable way to be held accountable. It is more just word of mouth. The server just can not pour the alcohol. The customer can bring anything and drink it. The establishment can charge a fee for the usage of there space. Any thoughts are welcome!

    Marco Montez

    Hi Mark, thank you for reading my post and leaving a comment.

    I think that you pretty much have it covered. You already checked with your town, etc. I guess the key is that you will have to surrender your current alcohol license before engaging in BYO, otherwise you would be breaking Mass. state law.

    Personally, I wish there were more BYO restaurants out there. I would need another post to explain why I feel that way... maybe sometime soon I will write a new post about it.

    Thanks again for leaving a comment and best of luck. Let me know if there is anything I can help with.

    Steve

    I'm so glad I live in Los Angeles where the only thing preventing BYOB is the infrequent ridiculously high corkage fee (up to $75!). For the most part, even with the average fee of $20-$35 in an upscale restaurant you can bring your own bottle and save major $$.

    GREG

    I would like to know if BYO only applies to restaurants? What if you were a part of a social gathering place. Like a chess club? What are the rules then?

    Marco Montez

    Steve - thank you for your comment. You are a lucky guy indeed. Now, for $75 corkage fee, do they hold the glass up to your lips? :-)

    Greg - First of all, I'm no authority in this matter. I think that it depends on the physical location of the the chess club. You should contact the licensing board of the city/town the club is located in. With that said, I think that a lot will depend on the type of club. Is it public, i.e. people can walk in from the street, or is it a private members only club? Good luck with your research.

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